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thelustylibrarian
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 Posted: 10/21/2008 Post subject: BDSM protest in London |
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I just stumbled across this piece of news and wanted to know what the kink-loving lusties in the UK think of the new anti-pornography laws.
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LONDON - Ben Westwood, son of fashion legend Vivienne Westwood, will lead a group of bound, gagged and chained models through the streets of London this week.
The BDSM-inspired protest is to protest the new British anti-pornography laws that will be enforced beginning 2009. The Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill would deem such acts as "extreme pornography," even among consenting adults. |
This is the first I've heard of it, but I know it's going to be a big issue for some people - possibly some of you. |
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pinksapphire
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Golly well it's the first i've heard of it....though the proposal seems a bit vague...
i guess it's all going to be a bit subjective initially until some prosecutions take place, and as most of the british judges are just as perverted as the rest of us we'll have to wait and see!
(though i see his 'group' ended up being two...maybe not quite the impact he had hoped for!) |
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thelustylibrarian
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Golly well it's the first i've heard of it....though the proposal seems a bit vague...
i guess it's all going to be a bit subjective initially until some prosecutions take place, and as most of the british judges are just as perverted as the rest of us we'll have to wait and see!
(though i see his 'group' ended up being two...maybe not quite the impact he had hoped for!) |
It was a threesome! 
This seems like one of those things that might not be enforced all that strictly, but I know almost nothing about UK law. |
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| Posted: 10/21/2008 Post subject: Politics |
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~Maybe I'm being shortsighted on this, but by effectively muzzling such predilections, isn't the English govt. playing into their hands (at least the subs')?
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angiewalkerblue
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Yes I have heard of this proposal and I did write to Gordon Brown about it. I told him bluntly that he and his government were not going far enough on this issue and it was typical of Labour Party policy.....all talk and no action!
Call me old fashioned but I long for those good old days of deportation and flogging.................anyone who supports these marchers should be deported and severely flogged. I have also told Gordie that my facilities and services are at the disposal of his government. I am expecting a few cabinet ministers along with members of the judiciary to be visiting Perth soon!
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Krys
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http://www.backlash-uk.org.uk/
Gives more details about what the law actually means and what is and isn't allowed.
The spanner trust is also heavily involved if you want to google them. |
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Pensuwana
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and will no doubt be as inforceable as Japan's no protitution law, no one will ever get rid of the oldest profession, we'll keep selling our favors no matter what
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Estrella22
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This kind of thing makes me laugh. Its a real shame that with so many real problems in the world that need to be fixed governments are still obsessed with all things involved with sex. I swear, high school never ends.
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FIRST OFF – DON’T PANIC!
Images of bondage, fetish wear, role play, watersports, sexual intercourse and domination/submission are not “extreme”. Images of corporal punishment, whipping and flogging, needle play, cutting,
heat play or medical scenes involving areas besides the anus, genitals or breasts are almost certainly safe to possess (though the activities themselves may be illegal due to the Spanner ruling - see page 3). In fact the list of images which are certain to fall under the law is very small compared to the wide range of BDSM, kink and fetish images available. |
The above is from this link http://www.spannertrust.org/documents/possession_of_extreme_pornography_share.pdf
All in all, I agree with any government making a law where it is illegal to own pictures of sexual acts with a corpse or an animal. (Sorry to all you munters)
From what I have read on a few of the websites, there are too many grey areas, what is serious injury? To be determined by the jury. What is life threatening? To be determined by the jury.
But then again, I can see where they are coming from. If a couple is role playing a kidnap scene, or a rape scene, and photos are being taken, who ever might look accidentally at them may not know that it is consensual.
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(7) An image falls within this subsection if it portrays, in an explicit and realistic way, any of the following—
(a) an act which threatens a person’s life,
(b) an act which results, or is likely to result, in serious injury to a person’s anus, breasts or genitals,
(c) an act which involves sexual interference with a human corpse, or
(d) a person performing an act of intercourse or oral sex with an animal (whether dead or alive),
and a reasonable person looking at the image would think that any such person or animal was real. |
obtained from http://www.uk-legislation.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts2008/ukpga_20080004_en_9#pt5-pb1-l1g63
Who gets to judge what is reasonable or not?
I try to teach my students that being a "modern society" (The Western World) is about accepting and respecting that people may have different thoughts and opinions than yourself. When someone first mentioned www.collarme.com in the chat regarding that might be the place for a member to receive information about BDSM, I took a look as well. I must admit that some of the pictures scared the beegeebers out of me. Is it right for me, or anyone to tell people that is it wrong to choose a lifestyle that they want/need/enjoy? That I know better than them? Especially if it is consensual and they are of an age where they can make their own decisions? Does this mean I must eat my own words that I have been trying to teach my students?
This makes me scratch my head in wonder. Is this law going to go the way of the prostitution laws in Asia (upheld only once yearly in many parts of China)? or be held in force?
Or simply put, do not take pictures when you might be doing something of a questionable nature to any reasonable outside observer.
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